Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) Who wrote 1 and 2 Timothy? Love. https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120. This does not seem so radically opposed to Rome. Now, we have got a complete detailed explanation and answer for everyone, who is interested! Are you the Patricio Abramzon who attended the Evelyn Rubenstein Jewish Community Center in Houston? As a side note, Wright has an excellent article on that on http://www.ntwrightpage.com here: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Paul_Arabia_Elijah.pdf. In fact, Paul describes himself as a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. Paul has already been briefly mentioned in Acts in Chapters 7 and 8, in connection with the stoning of Stephen. The job is to paint the garage and house what difference does it make which one is first? Paul, Silas, and Timothy desired to enter Asia to spread the gospel there, but the Holy Spirit prevented them. You will be called Rocky. Here are 5 to get the discussion started: .1) Pauls boastful conflicting false testimonies, exaggerating and making things up about his conversion experience in Acts 22 & 26, compared to what actually happened (recorded by Luke in Acts 9). Dear Philip, Below are quotes and links from two other blog gentlemen (Christopher, and UnashamedofJesus) who disagree with each other. Paul enunciated precisely the same principle in Romans 7:2 (Polhill 30). How dare he question the words of our Great Apostle Paul ? Gamaliel was himself a Pharisee in the tradition of the great Hillel. Dont be put off by the ravings of Paul the Pharisee that so many Bible-believing Christians push so hard. Also known as Saul of Tarsus, he had been rescued by Roman troops and now faced the people from a stairway near the temple in Jerusalem. I regularly answer your lengthy and off topic responses. That is a good question, I am not sure if anyone has ever asked me that before! And Paul only said it here, one time, in the middle of a personal letter. The issue wasnt the Torah, the issue it was the corrupted law that man attached to the Torah. For example, Gi. So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. 15: 8-11 etc. (Eph. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. According to Photius, he was baptized by Saint Peter and Saint John, together with his son and Nicodemus. Although he was born in Tarsus in Cilicia, Paul spent a considerable amount of time in Jerusalem under the tutelage of Gamaliel in the strict manner of the law of the Jews (Acts 22:3). We proclaim with a big smile And Jesus is my co-pilot So Im always top of the pile, God our Father loves his children He is patient as we grow So we take another step Its The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, As we journey with The Moose Faithfully by our side We get a revelation We have to swallow our pride, He must become greater He really is The Star I must become less, but still with Him Ill travel far, You must follow me, says Jesus In His eyes I see a twinkle He is not My friend I am HIS Jesus is The Star like Bullwinkle. The concept of a rabbi was extremely new in Paul's time, and he probably didn't study under one. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Yes youre a cookie cutter christian typing up Constantine derivative nonese. Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. The people who Paul persecuted were diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that he was raised from the dead. 5:7) Paul takes a Nazarite vow, validate his claim that he doesnt teach against Torah and upholds it. But we surely can trust that Paul was as Acts 22:3 states: I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.. Nave's Topical Index. If Paul's conversion, as described in Acts was a literal event, the account would not so clearly appear to be based on the Greek classics. The Acts of the 12 Apostles arent even Canonical but some trash letters that have brought nothing good to the world are exalted as scripture, which is because Paul says scripture in it, which actually is equal to Aggadah and not inspired or less important. The issue is that the massive influx of gentiles into the sect are causing problems by bringing in gentile customs, natural born Jews adhearing to traditions that contradict Torah. Neither do I condemn you said Jesus, to a woman entrapped by dogs. Its nice and tidy to say I just accept what the Bible says, but whose interpretation? Er was the first person God killed for being wicked ( Gen 38:7 ). The rule is- never step on the Hat, just keep dancing around it. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. Your ignorant slander of Paul shows a deep seated hatred toward God and His word. Very much the contrary. The command given by our Lord and Savior Is not a Pharisee speaking alone It came rather through your apostles Matthew Peter and John, If a Pharisee boasts proudly Those men added nothing to my message He doesnt speak for Jesus His words are nothing more than garbage, Bibliography All quotes in quotation marks are from the writings of the Apostles Matthew John and Peter in the Bible, mostly the Red Letter words of Jesus. Luke writes: They cast [Stephen] out of the city and stoned him. I appreciate your many responses to this thread.as I wrote this response you have added a few more! So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. Jesus never said right is wrong, He never said wrong is right. He was brilliant and a top-educated person of his day. .1) There is more New Testament text written specifically about the Church in Corinth than any other church, by far. God wants to welcome anyone into His family who has the desire to seek, follow, obey, trust, and love God. It was the righteousness of the law summarized. But this seems to be where the peaceful teachings of Gamaliel shine stronger. How can I make them understand that they should deal with Paul Worship the same way that I deal with smoking weed? Which one is it? The Apostle Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus in one of the most radical of ways, which led to his conversion and stepping into his call to follow Christ and preach the Gospel. You said that your QUOTE Quran is incorruptible. Thats like many Christians saying the Bible is inerrant. Muhammad is to Muslims as Paul is to most Christians as Mary is to most Catholics an idol that they worship, practically speaking. To be more like Jesus is what some strive except for me Ive already arrived Im the perfect model since the road to Damascus What were Pauls sins? Mosley is actually studied under Flusser. [Acts 20:31 vs Acts 19:8-10], .4) Paul abandoning the Church in Corinth after a year and a half for no obvious reason, and going off on another long trip, mostly on his own, without appointing anyone else in Corinth as overseer, or giving anyone else any specific authority in the Church in Corinth. As a novice here, I have a question: Why was Gamaliel not as tolerant with Jesus as he was with Paul? In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do- this I keep on doing. [Romans 7:15-19] (Response- One more time! As a Roman citizen, Paul possessed a coveted status Listen to Gamaliel. Paul has a track record in Scripture of boasting, exaggerating, and stretching the truth to promote himself and make himself appear more important than he really was. I started following this discussion because I wanted to find out more about Gamaliel, but this thread has thrown up many more points about the Apostles and St Paul in particular. That the latter paid especial attention to study is shown by the remarkable classification of pupils ascribed to him, for which a classification of the fish of Palestine formed a basis (Ab. You dont know him, and Ive just barely met him. Last Weeks Reading: Evangelicals, Water, and the Theology of Paul New Ways Forward, http://readingacts.com/2013/09/09/paul-and-gamaliel/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zGS_V5mEOG4, Romans, Part 57 | The Gospel and the Religious Mind, https://unashamedofjesus.org/2016/05/31/greatest-commandment/#comment-5642, https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE, Pauls Jewish Heritage (Philippians 3:4-6) | Reading Acts, What Kind of Jew was Paul? I find this convincing since Paul seems, at least in part, to return to Gamaliels tutelage after his conversion. [Acts 18}, .5) Paul acting as an abusive absentee overseer / pastor to the Church in Corinth years after he abandoned them, and clinging to all power and claim to control of money and all aspects of the church ministry, while he was hundreds of miles away teaching full-time in his own school in Ephesus. Maybe God was preparing Paul under those great teachers for the work He had in store for him He became one of the most intense teachers of the gospel in the bible. This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. In Gospel of John chapter 10, the Apostle John records many words of Jesus, including: My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me., I recommend reading the whole chapter (10), and listening to the voice of Jesus first (rather than the voice of a stranger like Paul first. How many times did Jesus speak to Paul? It is possible that Paul was not of the Hillel form of Pharasism, but rather the more radical Shammaite party. (The Hat is, what were Pauls sins?) Here are the basic steps- (there may be one or two other basic steps, but they are very similar to these. Paul, Silas, and Timothy, now joined by Luke, sailed from Troas to Greece and made their way to Philippi. So they disagree with each other. He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". Why insist that the words of this one special person automatically override the words of Jesus and everyone else in all history, and he doesnt need to have a second witness to confirm his testimony? Beware of the NAR whale its really a killer whale with a man-made horn strapped on top. Your comments are ridiculous and borderline stupidity. I will leave that to the Ruah, my rabbi and the Yeshiva (that ive been attending for years) I attend. I dont have any position or influence in the Christian world. To think that all Jewish people were completely unified is to share the same fantasy Christians have about the early church. To which Paul replied, youre fired. Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house. Dr. The message of The 11 (The narrow gate), The eleven disciples went to Galilee Where Jesus had told them to go They heard His voice and obeyed His will Despite uncertainty down below, Jesus spoke to them at length He wasnt really a Tweeter Only 3 of them wrote Scripture Matthew John and Peter, Feed my sheep said Jesus, for though Heaven and earth will pass away I have the words of eternal life and My words will never pass away, Enter through the narrow gate The voice of Jesus through the eleven Believe in Jesus through their message And eat from the tree of life in heaven. Maybe, from what I have seen of him he does not go to great lengths on anything. And the head Mormon Apostle. Maybe Gamaliel was strict with Saul,so Saul was being rebellious. I would not limit the intervention of God in the light of Pauls claim in Galatians 1 that God had prepared him before he was born for the grace he has received (Gal 1:15). I got my Masters Degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. .b) What about the so-called Great Commission? While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. Hello Pastor Thapa your problem is not unique to Nepal, people everywhere like to rank themselves above others. Minhags- customs attached to moses and the oral law to make them valid that were infact against Torah and corrupt. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. I think the point was not that Jesus was the Messiah, but rather that Peter and John are stating that the High Priest killed the Messiah and God vindicated him by raising him from the dead. This piece (above) is well done. Just because Paul disagreed with Gamaliel on one tiny aspect hes therefore a from the school Shammi? ), If you cant prove me wrong, you dont have to say Im right, you dont have to agree, but dont say that Im wrong. If you are sure Im wrong but you dont have time to prove it, that means you are either lazy, willfully ignorant, or are breaking the 9th of the Ten Commandments, You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.. Somebody did the calculations of Paul's education, and said he basically had the equivalent of two Ph.D.'s by the time he was 21 years of age. In Acts 5:34 he appears as an advocate of the nascent congregation of Jesus' disciples in Jerusalem and is called "a Pharisee, a teacher of the Law, held in honor by all the people.". According to the Hebrew Bible, the tabernacle (Hebrew: , mishkn, meaning "residence" or "dwelling place"), also known as the Tent of the Congregation ( 'hel m', also Tent of Meeting, etc. I think in certain ways, Paul can be described as a Christian Pharisee who believes in Jesus because there are times when Paul goes very much by the books and follows certain rules. . The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). But what do I do with this truth? It seems that people want to limit the intervention of God in the lives of people he intends to use.

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