0.266 I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. What you have done is show the slope to the tip to butt. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. If you want to make one as a sort of standard then try a rate of taper of 13.5 thousandths per station, it gives a Gould rating of 270 which is a useful point about which to have a conversation with yourself about what you think is medium fast and what you think is fast. Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. Easy casting and very versatile. Used but very good serviceable condition. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. I will add my 2 cents. 7613: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. 5 0.0825 Springcreek, the 8013 you have listed. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. And this set of conditions is very narrow. Help from forum members would be welcomed. This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! 5 .326 .168 An awful lot of fudging, especially as he could have made up tip rings quite easily. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. 15 .258 .144 Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. Sorry! He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. 0 .084 .238 (2 1/2" @ ferrule wrap) . (Tim Pembroke), I wasn't aware of that but now that I've been told it does make perfect sense. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. 10 0.101 154505 by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? by avyoung 06/12/16 21:25, Post Please allow up to 120 days for completion of your new rod. 4 wt 0.0680 Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. If you're willing to accept our assumptions about varnish thickness and how to interpolate between measurements, then the table on the last page is the one to use. However, a straight line taper will create a rod in which the angle of deflection will increase from the butt to the tip at linear (constant)rate. I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. I think of it as an 8013G. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. But you also have the opportunity to add or remove material any ware alone the length of that rod and doing so will have an taper specific effect on the casting/fishing characteristics of the rod. I hope this is for step down ferrule. (Robin Haywood). I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. Cross Rods. For example a 13 was really a 13.5? Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? by slate river 05/10/09 16:30, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. (Greg Reeves). Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. 40 0.180 146694 If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. (Will Price). I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. 0.144 And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. Dickersons original taper was as Mark stated and a true 5 wt. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. 0.256 There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. 90 0.296 157251. (Robin Haywood). (Inches) (Inches) Stress Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. On the other hand, Dickerson was designing rods (most likely) for Michigan waters. 25 0.1405 I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. I've mostly used it for bass. A few of the tapers shown on the deflection comparison page are not listed here as they are from active rodmakers; out of professional courtesy I prefer not to offer those for sale. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. That's not a lot to ask is it? As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. $95.00 0.275 Yes. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. 40 .202 .375 All sections are full length and straight. I have one of his 7625's, and it's a great rod, being a 7613 replica. You can build this rod and have a neutral action rod (my term). Has anyone cast both 1949 and 1951 versions of the Dickerson 8013 as described in Howell's book? This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. .232@10 To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. So the question - I have been trying to define the specific characteristic that each basic deviation from the SLT imparts to the action of the rod. As most of you already know Paul Young was notorious for having quite a few different tapers for the same model over the course of his career. Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. Very nice guy. 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. Since the time he was with the Deschutes Rod Co. in Seattle he has built rods with Dickerson tapers. It's been my experience that a straight taper can be a very nice rod when designed correctly; for example a 4wt with a tip of 0.068 and a station rise of 0.013. What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. If you want to see the justification for compound tapers look at the design of the Eiffel tower or any electricity pylon. The trouble is, that's all it does! I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, anyway that's how I do it. by bluesjay 06/19/16 13:59, Post Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. (Jerry Foster), I agree. . Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). The butt was merely an extension pole to keep the tip further from the ground. 0.350 Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. About a week ago I was fishing the hex hatch on a certain small Wisconsin stream for the first time in many years, with a 7.5 ft 5wt, and actually wished I had a much shorter rod, given the overhanging trees. (David Zincavage), I wouldn't turn down a couple of each for crackers. 0.241 I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. I have just finished reading your post regarding Straight Line Tapers and Straight horizontal Stress Curves and I must say that you as well as robin really do need a refresher course in Stress Curves. I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. It is quite different that the Garrison math method. 60 0.231 142296 All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. 7 wt 0.0790 Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them.

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